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Liveblogging the Last Presidential Debate

I’ll be liveblogging the Prez debates today, and all are invited to join the discussion. Click below to access the liveblog when the debate starts or sooner to receive an emailed reminder

Update: The liveblog was a lot of fun, thanks to Sequel and Kermit from the Anti-Strib for making me look like a thoughtful, contemplative moderate. Also, Thanks to Spurringrl and “SvE” for their contributions (and several other anonymous commenters).

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Update: Results of the liveblog after the jump

 

The Last Presidential Debate (10/15/2008) 
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7:29
Marty Andrade:  Is this McCain’s last chance? Â I don’t think so, there’s still time, but it’s running out.
7:34
Marty Andrade:  Thomas Sowell has written a number of very good columns making the case against Barack Obama recently. I suggest reading all of them.
7:35
Are Obama’s associations going to hurt him on election day?
Yes, Significantly

 ( 50% )

Yes, but not significantly

 ( 25% )

No

 ( 25% )

Don’t know

 ( 0% )

 

7:42
Marty Andrade:  When playing the guilt by association game, you need to make it relevant to the voters.   Why are the Ayers/Wright/Obama connections not reasonating with the voters?   It hasn’t been shown to be very relevant to the voters (imho).
7:45
7:47
7:49
Marty Andrade:  It’s pretty much 45-55 in the polls, and understand, based on some of the demographic information I’ve seen, McCain loses a tie. Â He needs to be ahead by at least one or two percent in the polls on election day.
8:00
[Comment From Kermit]
Not going to Trocaderos. I have an ample supply of beanbags to throw at my TV. Red ones and Blue ones.
8:01
Marty Andrade:  Is that how you’re going to score the debate, how many beanbags you throw
?
8:01
Kermit:  Or how many beers i drink.
8:02
Marty Andrade:  Wow, How old is Bob Schieffer?
8:02
Kermit:  112
8:02
Marty Andrade:  I kinda wish I had spiked my drink, I sense impending doom
8:03
Kermit:  Mr. Obama, what are some things people haven’t heard about you?
8:06
Marty Andrade:  This is not the worst financial crisis since the great depression
8:06
Marty Andrade:  End tax breaks=tax increases
8:07
Kermit:  Middle Class tax cut. Clinton promised that. Still waiting.
8:07
Marty Andrade:  Give away to banks? Â Like the 750 already rolling in?
8:08
Marty Andrade:  Yeah, Republicans only succeed at giving tax cuts half the time, if that
8:08
Kermit:  McCain plays the Plumber card. Good.
8:09
Marty Andrade:  No kidding, McCain needs to come out swinging. Â The plumber comments Obama made show how marxist the guy really is
8:10
Kermit:  95% Bullshit.
8:10
Marty Andrade:  Totally
8:11
Kermit:  He told the plumber he was going to “spread the wealth around”.
8:11
Marty Andrade:  Obama gets better with every debate, unfortunately. Â I alredy have him scored higher than McCain. Â But….
8:12
Kermit:  Repeat the lie…
8:12
[Comment From Spurringirl]
No kidding, if I hear 95% again . . .
8:13
Kermit:  Barry thinks Exxon pays those taxes. He must not buy his own gas.
8:13
Marty Andrade:  Don’t small business contribute to the economy? Â Heck, don’t large corporations contribute to the economy.
8:14
Marty Andrade:  “Spread the wealth around” Â really means “no more wealth” Â We should be worried about growth, not redistrubution
8:14
Spurringirl:  Structured properly? Yeah, structured so it never goes away under Barry
8:15
Kermit:  How sweet. Barry thinks He can restrain Congress. Naive.
8:15
Marty Andrade:  Three debates, finally, one example of a cut, and it’s something P.J. O’Rourke wrote about 20 years ago
8:16
Marty Andrade:  Here’s something I never get to ask an economist, does education create a strong economy, or does a good economy create opportunities for education?
8:17
Kermit:  Ya’ll better not be living “beyond your means” in the Obamanation
8:18
Spurringirl:  Grrr, back off on the defense industry Mac (selfish opinion)
8:18
Marty Andrade:  I love McCain’s position on Ethanol, if only the MNGOP could take a solid stance on the issue
8:19
Marty Andrade:  I want a hatchet, a sledgehammer or a bulldozer when it comes to federal budgets
8:20
Kermit:  Barry wants to take a scalpel to 3.3 trillion
8:22
Kermit:  “I’m not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush you should have done it four years ago”
8:22
Marty Andrade:  Good stuff, McCain even sounds smart tonight
8:22
Kermit:  Should have said that four months ago.
8:22
Kermit:  He voted present
8:22
Marty Andrade:  Whoever was coaching McCian leading into this debate, where the F were they at the first and second debates?
8:24
Marty Andrade:  Has anyone seen the ratings for these debates? Â Are they down, up, low high?
8:24
Kermit:  Core economic issues. No shit. He’s not a communist like Obama
8:24
Spurringirl:  HA!
8:24
Marty Andrade:  He’s not a communist, mroe like a scientific utopian, or Trotskyite
8:25
Marty Andrade:  Obama that is
8:25
Kermit:  Say it, John: Bill Ayers!!!
8:26
Marty Andrade:  “Mr. Obama, your association with an unrepentant terrorist is a huge concern for me, please explain yourself”
8:27
Marty Andrade:  “Mr. Obama, giving Rev. Jeremiah Wright 20,000 dollars for his anti-American and racist church concerns me, please explain yourself”
8:28
Kermit:  Obama’s chickens are coming home to roost!
8:28
Kermit:  100% Another lie
8:28
Spurringirl:  Can somebody define a “negative” ad dor me? Seriously.
8:29 [Video file] YouTube: Xfi4s8cjLFI Play
8:29
Kermit:  Republican = lie
8:29
Marty Andrade:  Mcain needs to “SAY IT….SAY IT”
8:30
[Comment From Guest]
Isn’t a negative ad anything that is pro-Republican and/or anti-any-democrat?
8:30
Kermit:  YES!!!
8:32
Kermit:  Lewis goes under the bus. It’s getting crowded down there.
8:33
Marty Andrade:  Cynicism is good, cynics don’t buy housed they can’t afford. Â Cynics don’t promise people welfare, homes, food, education, healthcare, tax cuts and world peace
8:34
Kermit:  Barry’s playing the victim card. Again.
8:35
Kermit:  CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!! DANGER! DANGER!
8:36
Spurringirl:  Even Barry’s smile yells “LIAR”
8:37
Kermit:  Ayers = Reagan
8:37
Marty Andrade:  FoxNews had a bad mic, so I switched over to CNN, they have those tracker thingees, just FYI
8:38
Kermit:  ACORN: It’s not my fault!!!
8:38
Kermit:  Or with Franklin Raines?
8:39
Marty Andrade:  Hey Mr. Obama, would you invite a terrorist to dinner?
8:40
Marty Andrade:  It’s very clear from the CNN realtime opinion tracker, the guilt by association isn’t working
8:40
Kermit:  Keep lying, Barry. The brain-dead want to believe.
8:42
Marty Andrade:  I don’t want the government to invest in me, I’m a bad investment and I know it
8:43
Marty Andrade:  That opinion tracker is really cool , the men are having a more positive reaction to Sarah Palin than the women are
8:43
Kermit:  Biden IS Washington. He’s the problem.
8:44
Marty Andrade:  Biden, the ONE you’ve been waiting for
8:44
Marty Andrade:  …to retire
8:45
Kermit:  Obama ducks the Palin question. That scalpel in action.
8:46
Kermit:  Scheiffer runs interference for The One
8:46
Marty Andrade:  Wiki article on Autism (Some say it can’t be “cured”)
8:48
Kermit:  Nukes! Nukes! Nukes! Nukes!
8:48
Marty Andrade:  See Obama, McCain can actually give specific ideas about how to change the world, instead of just saying “change” over and over
8:50
Kermit:  Barry’s gona expand oil production by taking away leases. Perfect Liberal Logic.
8:50
Marty Andrade:  Yeah, I’ve been hearing about Solar all my life, and still, solar panels are the most expensive household additions yuo can make
8:51
Marty Andrade:  Obama’s plan to help the economy, stop all trade. Â It worked for Hoover
8:51
Kermit:  Flood South Korea with GM cars!!!
8:53
Marty Andrade:  The crankier McCain gets, the better off he is, imho
8:54
Marty Andrade:  Didn’t Bush stand up to other countries when he went into Iraq?
8:54
Kermit:  Free trade = assasination.
8:55
Marty Andrade:  “McCain kills union men”

I could see it on a t-shirt

8:56
Kermit:  “We can retool these plants to create solar panels and wind turbines” while we tax these companies into oblivion.
8:56
Marty Andrade:  Yes, Hoover, I knew him well
8:57
Marty Andrade:  We’ll give people jobs installing solar panels on empty office buildings of companies we’ve taxed to give jobs to people who are installing the solar panels, the circle of life
8:58
Kermit:  “you don’t have to do anything” Health care problems have been solved!
8:58
Marty Andrade:  I sigh loudly to myself. Â I don’t believe a word of it. Â None of it will come true, like the socialists dreams, they’re just dreams
8:59
Marty Andrade:  Obama might as well be speaking in a foriegn language, his words have no meaning
9:00
Spurringirl:  I work in at a defense contractor and everything that McCain has said is what our CEO has put in place.
9:01
Marty Andrade:  what’s a large business vs a small business?
9:01
Kermit:  You are rich purringirl. You shall be penalized!
9:01
Marty Andrade:  Give me a number, this crap is getting complicated
9:01
Kermit:  what’s a large business vs a small business?
9:01
[Comment From Guest]
$250,000: Where the American Dream ends in Obama’s utopia
9:02
Kermit:  $250,000
9:03
Kermit:  And Mr. Choice will support euthanasia if youcost too much
9:03
Marty Andrade:  Well, Â I’m really happy I don’t own a business right now. Â Really happy, I feel sorry for you guys who do your own footwork, you’re officially the bad guy for the next 8 years
9:04
Kermit:  Eff you $250,000 aires
9:04
Spurringirl:  Wait, you can get healthcare that covers cosmetic surgery?
9:05
Marty Andrade:  Hell, after Jimmy Carter like inflation, $250,000 will be the new $80,000
9:05
Spurringirl:  Teehee, he just called him “Senator Government”
9:05
Kermit:  I want subsidized hair transplants
9:06
Marty Andrade:  Well, I do think we need subsidized gastric bands, it will really help us lower or nutritional needs and lower the costs of living for all Americans
9:08
Marty Andrade:  McCain did the finger quoty thing, I’ve never seen him do that. Â
9:08
Kermit:  Obama wants to kill babies. Third trimester? Kill ‘em. Survived abortion? Kill ‘em. Keep this man away from all daycare centers.
9:09
Spurringirl:  Well, our daughters shouldn’t be punished
9:09
Marty Andrade:  Roe v. Wade is not regarded as a great legal decision, even among liberal legal scholars
9:09
Kermit:  “I would not apply litmus tests” Bullshit.
9:10
Marty Andrade:  “religious advisors”?
9:10
[Comment From SvE]
Don’t we all have one?
9:10
Marty Andrade:  uh er uh uh and and and uh er er
9:11
Marty Andrade:  My religous advisor doesn’t return my ohone calls, or is that the pizza place…
9:12
Kermit:  Kill the baby!!
9:12
[Comment From sequel]
My cat can’t dial a phone, sorry
9:13
sequel:  justifying infanticide
9:14
Marty Andrade:  Why doesn’t the hippocratic oath apply to babies in the womb?
9:14
Kermit:  I didn’t vote what I voted. It’s not true. Don’t pay any attention to that man behind the curtain.
9:14
sequel:  BHO just came out against partial birth abortion
9:15
Kermit:  Yeah, Barry, there’s common ground. It doesn’t apply to killing babies, you NARAL butt boy.
9:16
Marty Andrade:  See, this exchange shows why I supported McCain early on, the guy doesn’t back down on the abortion issue.
9:16
sequel:  Finger quotes by Mc again
9:16
Marty Andrade:  Yeah, that’s really new
9:16
Who won the debate?
Obama

 ( 40% )

McCain

 ( 60% )

 

9:17
Kermit:  Question for kids that didn’t get sucked down a sink
9:17
McCain’s grade
A

 ( 25% )

B

 ( 25% )

C

 ( 50% )

D

 ( 0% )

F

 ( 0% )

 

9:17
Obama’s grade
A

 ( 20% )

B

 ( 40% )

C

 ( 0% )

D

 ( 0% )

F

 ( 40% )

 

9:18
Marty Andrade:  Was this debate a gamechanger?
9:18
Kermit:  Barry just cites a stat that does not exist. Did anyone notice?
9:18
sequel:  no
9:18
Marty Andrade:  Did McCain arrest his campaign’s fall
9:18
sequel:  no
9:19
Kermit:  No
9:19
Marty Andrade:  Kermit, what stat?
9:19
[Comment From SvE]
I thought the format was way better than people pontificating at lecterns.
9:19
Kermit:  Early education provides improved performance
9:20
sequel:  but he wants it to
9:20
Kermit:  That’s all that matters
9:21
sequel:  Mo money for schools
9:22
Kermit:  It’s all about money. Kids can’t learn without cash.
9:22
sequel:  Federal money for teachers
9:22
Kermit:  Lots of money
9:22
sequel:  vouchers baaaad
9:22
Kermit:  Government good
9:23
sequel:  It’s for the children
9:23
Marty Andrade:  I think Kermit and Sequel have this down pat
9:23
Marty Andrade:  Are you guys working for the O man?
9:23
Kermit:  $250,000 aires need too pay their fair share
9:23
sequel:  slammin format Marty
9:24
sequel:  The ACORN check is in the mail
9:24
Kermit:  We be Anti-Strib. We are sanity.
9:25
Marty Andrade:  Just want to say thanks everyone, I’ll keep the chat open for a while after the debate for any discussion/reactions
9:25
Marty Andrade:  According to the CNN opinion tracker, this education discussion is as good as McCain has done all night
9:26
Kermit:  I know autism. I have two. These two chumps don’t know shit.
9:26
SvE:  Can I get a fact check?
9:26
Kermit:  question?
9:26
SvE:  Who supports vouchers?
9:26
Kermit:  Me
9:26
sequel:  I do
9:27
SvE:  No, they just went toe to toe about someone who thinks something. Anybody new the truth?
9:27
Marty Andrade:  Best slam of the debates was that one from McCain
9:27
Marty Andrade:  Do vouchers work? Â Is that the question?
9:28
Kermit:  Vouchers or the Teachers Union calling all the shots. What do you think?
9:28
sequel:  The answer to the questionable question is yes
9:28
SvE:  No, the question is what does the DC superintendent think?
9:28
Marty Andrade:  Who cares?
9:29
Kermit:  Me
9:29
sequel:  Parents with kids in crappy schools
9:29
Marty Andrade:  I only care if Vouchers work or not, what some superintendents opinion of them? Â I don’t care
9:30
Marty Andrade:  I know people care about vouchers and education
9:30
Kermit:  Because it robs their power
9:30
sequel:  Hopey changitude again by BHO
9:30
Kermit:  Bush Bush Bush
9:30
Marty Andrade:  I’ve started tuning out Obama, I hear sounds, not words
9:31
sequel:  hope!
9:31
SvE:  That is how politicians speak – symbols not words.
9:32
Kermit:  Hopey Changitude
9:32
How Depressed are yuo Right Now?
Very

 ( 0% )

Kinda

 ( 0% )

A little

 ( 0% )

Not All

 ( 0% )

They have pills for that

 ( 100% )

 

9:32
SvE:  Sorry, that was the fakiest grin.
9:33
SvE:  Everyone vote for Joe the Plumber!
9:33
Marty Andrade:  Wow, CNN has three giant tables of people in their sitroom
9:33
Kermit:  McCain didn’t win, because he can’t. That’s not the way the game plays.
9:33
sequel:  Better than those 2
9:34
sequel:  I have PBS on
9:34
Kermit:  You have PMS on
9:34
Marty Andrade:  So, looking ahead, is there any hope for the us small government types heading into the election year?
9:34
Kermit:  No
9:34
sequel:  nope
9:35
sequel:  we’re screwed
9:36
Marty Andrade:  Maybe I shouldn’t ask anti-strib guys this question but…How do you deal with it? Â I mean, I’m 27 and I don’t have any memory of the democrats being in power, of liberalism being the prominent national political philosophy, how are you suppiosed to cope?
9:36
SvE:  strib?
9:36
sequel:  ANTI strib
9:36
Marty Andrade:  anti-strib, Sequel and Kermit are anti-strib bloggers
9:37
Kermit:  I survived Carter. Nothing is insurmountable.
9:37
Marty Andrade:  http://www.anti-strib.blogspot.com/
9:37
SvE:  Well, where I’m from, liberalism as you term it is a given, and it hasn’t caused the end of the world.
9:38
sequel:  keep your head down for 2 years, America will recoil at the liberals
9:38
Kermit:  It has hurt you inways you do not realize.
9:38
Marty Andrade:  I’m not suggesting the end of the world, I;m talking about the little things liberals do, like banning outdoor smoking
9:39
sequel:  It took Carter to get Reagan
9:39
Marty Andrade:  We see a lot of it in MN
9:39
[Comment From Guest]
no they won’t
9:39
Kermit:  And driving unemployment to double digits
9:39
SvE:  It’s kind of dishonest to suggest anyone is in favour of unemployment
9:40
sequel:  not in favor, just wrong
9:40
Kermit:  They aren’t in favor, they are just not educated
9:40
Marty Andrade:  Europeans have lived with high unemployment for a long time
9:41
sequel:  Americans are different animals
9:41
Kermit:  Europeans lived with 1000 years of war. Is that a good model?
9:41
Marty Andrade:  When I want to understand what liberalism does, I look to Europe, and I basically don’t like waht I see, but there are some good policies in europe, lower corporate taxes and better policies regarding abortion
9:42
SvE:  And Canada, circling the drain, right?
9:42
sequel:  on some issues, yes
9:42
Kermit:  Without the US Canada would be a cold Serbia
9:42
sequel:  Human rights commisons
9:43
SvE:  I have to be frank – I’ve never got the bipolar view of politics. The media feeds it to us, that there’s a single spectrum of political opinion.
9:43
Kermit:  Canada – No free speech
9:43
Marty Andrade:  Yeah, that’s a big one. Â The idea of inalienable rights is an American idea

Â

9:44
SvE:  calling BS on that Kermit. they have a charter of rights that says otherwise
9:44
sequel:  political opinions are not binary
9:44
Marty Andrade:  But yeah, the anti-strib guys range from libertarian to liberal to, well, whatever Kermit is
9:44
Marty Andrade:  So, I think we all understand politics is a spectrum, not two dots
9:45
sequel:  Charter of rights? tell that to Mark Steyn
9:45
Marty Andrade:  Wait a sec, I distinctly remember some canadian human rights commissioner talking about how free speech is an American idea, not a canadian one, as they were preparing to prosecute Mark Steyn
9:46
Kermit:  Tell it to Mark Steyn, SvE. He was brought up on criminal cahrges for writing a book “America Alone”.
9:47
SvE:  A complaint was filed, and it ended up being thrown out!
9:47
Marty Andrade:  You can’t say free speech is a canadian right but those who say things can be prosecuted, the two situations are exclusionary
9:49
sequel:  Macleans magazine run out of business for having the “wrong” opinions. The complainers were paid for by the state, the defendants spent hundreds of thousands on lawers
9:49
Kermit:  No, they put him on trial. He had to defend himself in a court of law. He won. And he paid a huge sum to stay out of JAIL. That is liberal “Tolerance”.
9:50
sequel:  Dragged into court for OPINIONS rubs way wrong
9:50
Kermit:  Liberals hate free speech
9:51
SvE:  This is so wierd, I followed that closely. The complaint was against the publisher, not the individual, that’s 1. 2, it wasn’t a criminal case.
9:51
Marty Andrade:  Do I think Canada is a totalitarian state like something out of an Orwell book? Â no, but I also don’t Canada is a nation concerned about maximizing personal liberty either
9:52
SvE:  I’m not saying the complaint was justified or the process that puts a publisher on the hook for matters of opinion is sensible
9:52
SvE:  But you’re just warping reality here
9:52
sequel:  You ok with shutting down publications for saying the “wrong” thing?
9:52
sequel:  Who decides?
9:53
SvE:  Actually I’m not
9:53
Kermit:  Well Steyn spent a year defending his book in a criminal court. For his “opinion”. Coming to an American. Obama country someday soon.
9:53
Marty Andrade:  Well, admittedly, I’ve only read what Steyn has to say about the topic, but you’re gonna have a hard time spinning this in a way which makes me want to believe you SvE
9:53
Kermit:  Not even close
9:54
sequel:  It was the human rights commision Kermit, not criminal
9:54
Marty Andrade:  “The Ontario Human Rights Commission ruled that it did not have the jurisdiction to hear the complaint. The British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal heard the complaint in June 2008 and issued a ruling on October 10, 2008 dismissing the complaint. The Canadian Human Rights Commission dismissed the federal complaint on June 26, 2008 without referring the matter to a tribunal.[4]
9:54
sequel:  Although it amounted to the same thing
9:54
Marty Andrade:  Steyn wrote about the two instances referenced, I don’t think he thought he had a choice about being there, nor was he happy to be there
9:55
Kermit:  How much did Steyn have to pay lawyers to defend himself?
9:56
Kermit:  And why should he have to?
9:56
sequel:  six figures, offended muslims 0
9:56
Marty Andrade:  Yeah, no matter what, the complaints caused harm to Mark Steyn. Â Anyway guys, we are way off topic here. Â Any last minute thoughts on the debates tonight?
9:57
sequel:  Barry is a smooth liar
9:57
sequel:  McCain borders on incompetant
9:57
Marty Andrade:  Liar, or just BS?
9:58
Kermit:  McCain sucked less tonight. Obama is the worst thing that could happen to this country. God bless us, because we’re gonna need it.
9:58
sequel:  both
9:59
Marty Andrade:  I turn the liveblog off at 10, so SvE, and everyone else, the clock is ticking
9:59
[Comment From Guest]
Is McCain more or less incompetant then Obama? That is the question that matters on Nov 4th
9:59
Kermit:  Less
9:59
Marty Andrade:  less
9:59
sequel:  It wont matter it’s a done deal
10:00
Kermit:  Circle the wagons
10:00
sequel:  keep your powder dry
10:00
Marty Andrade:  That will do it, thanks everyone for the good discussion. Â Hopefully I find and excuse to liveblog something else in the near future
10:00
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2 Responses

  1. Sequel and Kermit are good people- glad they found your blog.

    -plebe (aka JW of Minnesota)

  2. This is cool. I think I will use it to liveblog on election night.

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